Why Manifestation Culture Fails: Practical Faith-Led Change with Michelle Moragne-Morris

Ready to trade surface fixes for lasting change? We sit down with mindset coach and business owner Michelle Moragne-Morris to unpack why manifestation culture often backfires, how people pleasing keeps you stuck, and what it looks like to pursue growth that actually fits your design. Michelle shares the origins of her RIP framework (revisit the memory, identify the root, pull it out) and shows how a faith-led approach can outlast quick hacks and affirmation fatigue.

We explore identity as the anchor for action. If you’re wired as a teacher, builder, or warrior, you’ll likely find old lies designed to block that very calling. Michelle walks through practical steps for replacing those lies with truth so that boundaries make sense, confidence is grounded, and goals stop feeling like a performance. We also connect inner work to outer life: how clutter can flare during grief or burnout, why shame never heals a messy room, and how curiosity brings clarity.

This conversation moves from the spiritual to the practical. We talk about hearing God amid noise, journaling when answers feel far away, and engaging your senses to quiet stress. For business owners, we address the slow, hidden season where roots grow deeper than results, treating God like a real partner in the numbers. For parents and professionals, the same patterns apply: name what hurts, invite truth, and protect purpose with simple, honest steps. Expect grounded stories, clear tools, and a warm, no-sugar-coating tone that respects both faith and reality.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Welcome And Guest Introduction
• 1:03 Michelle’s Story And Early Framework
• 5:20 From Therapy Parallels To Calling
• 9:05 Getting To The Root Versus Surface Fixes
• 13:40 Hearing God Without Shame
• 18:40 Workshops And The RIP Method
• 23:10 Identity, Lies, And True Calling
• 28:20 Manifestation Culture Critiqued
• 34:00 Perseverance, Business Roots, And Provision

Transcript

Welcome And Guest Introduction

Mel 0:37

Welcome to Beyond Organised, the podcast that helps you simplify your life and amplify your purpose. I'm Mel Schenker, life coach, speaker, founder of She's Organised, but, more importantly, a wife and mum of four little kids. If you've ever felt overwhelmed, like you're constantly juggling everything but never quite catching up, this is the place for you. Here we go beyond just the tidying up and creating systems. We're talking about real life strategies that bring order to your life, but also we talk about the things beyond the organising, the things that really matter, like your parenting relationships and so much more. So grab your coffee and let's dive in.

Michelle’s Story And Early Framework

Mel 1:00

Welcome to another episode of Beyond Organised. I have the incredible Michelle here, and she's someone I am so, so, so excited to introduce to you today. So Michelle Moraine Morris is not your typical mindset coach. In a world obsessed with manifestation, Michelle takes a bold counterculture stand. She believes the manifestation movement is toxic, damaging, and keeping people trapped in cycles of disappointment. Instead, she helps people achieve lasting challenge through a cris-centered approach that digs to the root of the problems, not just surface symptoms. As a mum of five in a blended family, a business owner of 21 years, and the parent of a child with special needs, Michelle knows the real pressures of life and what it takes to overcome them without sugar-coated self-help. Her passion is helping people break free from people pleasing, reclaiming their identity, rebuild their sense of worthiness, and create strong boundaries that protect their future. Michelle has not only scaled her own companies, but has also guided her coaching clients into real transformation, proving that faith, clarity, and strength lead to results far more powerful than just manifesting. Oh my goodness, you're a breath of fresh air. Thank you for coming on the show, Michelle.

Michelle 2:18

Thank you for having me. I'm excited to be here.

Mel 2:21

Oh, I am so excited that you are here. I've just been practically binging on your Instagram page. And I've just been following you. And I think we got in touch with each other a couple months ago through threads initially. Yes. Um, but I've just been looking at your stuff and just it's so you're so clear in your message and what you stand for. And I thank you. I agree with Michelle's stance on on everything. So I was really excited to have you here. So I guess my main question for you is what got you started and what inspired you to do what you're doing?

From Therapy Parallels To Calling

Michelle 3:05

Yeah, that's a great question. So I started working on myself like in my early 20s because I kept having the same issues and obstacles in my life. And I got to the point where I'm like, okay, God, it can't be everyone else that's the problem. What's wrong? And he started speaking to me very, very clearly about me. And I kept having the same problems, and I had to realize at some point the other people aren't the problem. I'm the common denominator. So I got with God and I was like, what is the issue here? And he told me, um, so I was having trouble with guys. I kept getting like dumped. Everything would go great in the beginning, and then I'd get dumped. And the Lord said to me, it was so embarrassing, he said, um, you're insecure and you you're too needy, and it drives people away. I was like, I am not insecure. I am not needy. Yeah, I was like, that's not me, but that's not me initially. Like I had really strong boundaries initially. I wouldn't chase guys, I would never call them, would never make the first move. But then once we became close, then all my guards would drop, all my boundaries would drop, and I could see the neediness kick in because I wasn't like strong on myself. So anyway, he worked me through this process. I'm like, okay, great, you told me that. Now what do I do about it? And the framework that I teach now is the exact thing he walked me through. Now, mind you, this was like 25 years ago. There was barely Google, there was no Chat GPT. So I couldn't look up, like, is this weird? I just kind of followed the voice of the Lord, did what he told me to do, and it was incredible. It felt weird. So I didn't really say anything to anyone because I thought they'd be like, yeah, that's a little weird. Fast forward like two months later, I mentioned it to my best friend. She was in therapy. She's like, oh my gosh, that's the exact thing that my therapist does with me for $250 an hour. Now, mind you, 25 years ago, $250 an hour is a lot of money. That would be like $750 now. And I was like, okay, Lord, I think we're on to something. So I've just used that framework to work through every single issue of my life. Fast forward now, I'm I'm a I was approaching 50 and I'm like, okay, there has to be something more than running a cleaning company. Right. And my cleaning company does pretty well. Um, you know, I have my kids, but my kids are in school full-time now, so I have a little bit of time during the day. And the cleaning company just doesn't take a lot out of me during the day. It's a nighttime cleaning business. And the Lord just kind of inspired me. I was like, maybe I'll help cleaning business owners. Well, apparently they didn't want help. Um, and then I just felt the Lord was like, this, this calling. When I was 25 years ago, after I had finished that process with the Lord, he said to me, I need you to tell my daughters how much I love them. They just don't understand how much I love them. And I kind of like tucked that away. And then about a year ago, that all just the Lord reminded me of that. And he's like, You said you would tell my daughters how much I love them. And I was like, Oh my goodness, that is what I'm supposed to do. So then that's birthed, untangle the root, which is the you know, the workshops and the I would call it a ministry that I do now. And it's been incredible. And to me, therapy, I I feel like everyone needs therapy, to be honest. Everyone needs to go through therapy at some point, but without this part of getting to the root and hearing from God and having him replace the lies that you've been believing about yourself, without that piece, you're still just doing surface work.

Mel 6:44

Yeah. Yeah, I completely agree. It's it's amazing when you actually stop to um evaluate where you're at. And I've got my own technique that I've put together dealing with the mindset side of things as well, because obviously I help people getting organized, but there's so much more to it than that. Because I can tell you all the steps, I can tell you how to do, but a week or two later, you're just gonna fall back to old habits or the way things were because you're not dealing with the root problem. So very similar kind of things here. But with the mindset technique I have, call it the um Vexinova technique, it really goes through sort of five steps of like recognizing like where this limiting belief, where this false belief, what whatever it is is like where it came from, you know, revealing it, going through all the way to like rewriting and reinforce, reinforcing it and just sort of living out the actual truth, not oh, then that's another whole thing, not your truth, not my truth, like that's so wrong. People saying stuff like that, there is only the truth. So getting to the the heart of that and actually going, well, and especially coming from a Christian and biblical background, of well, what is God actually saying in all of this? Because if it's confusing you, if it's condemning you, if it's all these negative things, well, that's not from him. Right. So where are we gonna, how are we gonna rewrite this?

Michelle 8:17

And and I think recognizing that voice, right? Like the Bible says the enemy comes only to kill, steal, and destroy. So if he's showing up and he's accusing you, he's there to destroy you.

Mel 8:30

Yeah.

Getting To The Root Versus Surface Fixes

Michelle 8:31

So knowing that that's his job, he's not here just to sit next to you and watch you, he's coming on a mission. And so all those condemning thoughts, I'm messy, I'm not organized, I can't. That's all accusations from the enemy. And it's interesting because for the first about 13 years, I did only homes. I could write, I could literally diagnose people by how their house looked. No lie. When the rooms were super messy, not normal, messy, like kind of nasty messy, I was like, oh, they're depressed. When someone would lose a loved one, they would turn, they would have a lot of stuff. They would start over shopping and turning to hoarding. Um when people had like gotten off their weight loss fitness program, their rooms would start being messy, their bed wouldn't be made. I I could have written like I should have done a little documentary on it, but the way that you're you're that you show up with your house, and I'm not talking if you're busy. Like I have a uh a woman in town, she's a judge, and she has four kids. I don't even know how she functions. I'm not talking like overly busy, but you made the claim out.

Mel 9:36

That's why I need the claim.

Michelle 9:38

Yeah, exactly. But when you but when there's just a messiness and you just kind of when you're cluttered with your stuff, there's like an unsettling that's kind of an unhealthy attachment. Yeah. And you can look at that like, okay, I'm uncluttered, I'm super messy here, what's going on? So take that time instead of condemning yourself, like I'm so messy, or this house is a mess, or I never have time. Take that moment to say, okay, well, this is happening. Why is this happening? And like you said, bring God into that. What is going on with me? Because God wants to speak. And I think the biggest misconception that people have is that, well, I can't hear from God. Will you operate in the prophetic? No. Well, maybe, but God wants to speak to all of us.

Mel 10:22

Yeah, right.

Michelle 10:23

But well, and we all have the access to those gifts to all of us. 100%. I mean, he wants to speak to all of us as proof. He was chasing Adam through the garden, right? He wasn't like, oh, Adam, you sinned. I can't talk to you anymore. I'm like, I'm done with you. No, he's like, Adam, where are you? Right? Where are you? And those words, I was taught he said, Where are you? Because he wanted him to recognize what he did wrong. That is so anti-Jesus. He wanted, where are you? When I looked it up in the original, it was almost like if your child fell and hurt themselves and you run over to him, you say, Are you okay? God was like, Where are you, Adam? Are you okay? What has happened? I know that there's separation now. So shame causes separation, but God wants to communicate with us. When you're in the act of sinning, don't hide yourself from God. Just like, okay, God, I know I messed up, but I'm not going to hide from you because that's what the devil wants me to do. He wants me to put on shame and he wants me to separate. God, you are with me even in my sinning. You are here because you love me. And I think if more people understood that God is not trying to condemn us and to judge us, he wants to love us. It would change how we act. It would change how we show up, showed up for him. It would change the legalism that's in the Christian church, right?

Mel 11:44

Oh my gosh, and the dualism and all that other stuff. Yeah. It's just yeah. And and I know there's a lot of people that listen that aren't Christians as well. And I encourage you today, if you're listening and you're thinking, what is all of this? What is she saying? What are they saying? I encourage you to reach out to either Michelle or myself, and we'll happily talk through more and explain things more because we want you to understand the God that that loves, that gives, but is strong and is just and does all the right things by us ultimately. But and in turn, we want to live for him. We want to do right by him because he created us, he did right by us, too. I mean, there's a lot we can go unpack. But I I'm looking through, you know, all your stuff, and I mean it's just gold upon gold. I was curious. So you're talking about how you sort of only jumped into this maybe a year or so ago in really helping women and doing what you've been called to. Um so how does that look? What is it that you're doing to help the women?

Hearing God Without Shame

Michelle 12:58

Yeah, so I run workshops. Um I had my last one about two weeks ago. So I walk them through the framework. The framework that I have is the RIP framework. So it's we revisit the revisit the memory. We call upon truth. So I've worked with um people who are not Christians as well, because there's like you said, there's one truth. So we call upon truth, because truth always answers and truth always wants to speak. Um, we identify the root, like the memory that started it, and then we pull it out. So that's what we do in the workshop. And for people who don't join the workshop, we just go straight to coaching. In the coaching sessions, what we do is I helped a few business owners actually that didn't struggle with people pleasing, but they were lost in their in their profession. And what it boiled down to was they were when life gets hard and things start falling apart, right? We start to question ourselves. Like, what am I doing wrong? And what I helped them do is navigate, okay, you are a kingdom business owner. This is the kingdom, you have an enemy. Now let's gird you up, strengthen you, and give you back your identity. So we go into asking for our identity that we were created, not the identity that we took on, the identity that we were created with.

Mel 14:16

Yeah. Right.

Michelle 14:17

So when I did this work for myself, God told me that I was a warrior princess. I was like, oh, great. Love it. But for what? Right? Like warrior princess for what? Because I knew I was a strong prayer warrior because I pray differently now. And he said, you set people free, right? So I got that identity. That's and that doesn't mean that now I quit my job, I close up my cleaning business, and now I'm not that. No, it's it's also in alignment with what I do. And he also said teacher. So with those two identities, when you are operating in the identity that you were created with, that's when things start to make sense. And then you operate in that identity. Now, when he said to me teacher, it didn't mean go back and get your master's degree in education now and start teaching. No, it's like you're I operate in teaching with my children, I operate in teaching with my friends, and now I operate in teaching with them. So I help them understand what their identity is, and then we move from there because I can't coach you until we know what your identity is. And almost every time their identity is uncovered, it matches the lies that they have been believing. Because the enemy's goal is to take you off track, and all he does is send you lies, and he sends you instances in life that just reaffirm the lie that you're believing about yourself to get you off track. So for me, teacher, I always felt dumb as a kid. And it's one simple story. They're not life-changing moments that happened. I remember I was in third grade, and the teacher was reading out the names of students to me at the principal's list, meaning they had straight A's, and my name wasn't called out. And in that moment, I took on the lie that, well, you're not really that smart. So I grew up just struggling with feeling smart. Now, I did eventually get straight A's in like my junior senior year, but math was a struggle for me. I just wasn't smart. But so if my identity as teacher, what's the best way to keep me from teaching people? Well, make me feel dumb, right? So that's the lie that I took on. You're not that smart. And the crazy thing is I have I've had the most common sense of I have a lot of common sense. So I equated life skills with book skills. So a lot of you, if you're struggling with something, it's probably attached to who you were created to be. So I help them with that. And then we that just opens up the whole can of worms of okay, let's reverse engineer all the lies that you have been believing and walk in truth. And oh my gosh, it's so powerful. I just get goosebumps in sessions. I just get goosebumps with the changes that are made because you're hearing truth. You're not making up, you're not saying to yourself, well, I'm smart. I'm gonna do my affirmations and my manifestations of I am smart, I deserve this, I am worthy, right? Because then there's a dissonance that kicks in with your brain. You need to know it and hear. You need to hear the truth, replace the lie, and walk in that. And then you can say, I am worthy, I am smart, I am a teacher. So it's not that I don't believe in the manifestation part, but you got to get to the root first of why you don't believe those things to be true. Then you can naturally proclaim those things to be true. So that is the work that we do in the sessions.

Workshops And The RIP Method

Mel 17:40

Oh, it's so good. And I love that, I love that you're really tackling the manifestation thing because I am seeing it everywhere. We're seeing everyone. It's just become such a normal, um, almost normal vocabulary in the way people talk about manifesting and alignment and all this stuff. Stuff that was originally created for God and to go with God has been sort of twisted. And and the thing is, I was watching this episode from Lila Rose, where she had a medium psychic on there, an ex-medium psychic, she's now reformed and a Christian. But she was even giving insights to that part of you know, the spiritual realm and all of that, and how there is just so much going on in the enemy with when it comes to manifesting and that because it takes us away from God because we no longer need him. We no longer need him to be our source and our provider and and our future because we can will it. But when you stop to actually think, do I know more than God? So am I willing something into existence that was never meant for me, that was actually not meant, that's not good for me. And I'm trying to like make it happen. It's like, well, hang on a second. I think we need to stop and step back and go, God, what is your plan? What is it you want to do? And he's really uh just to add another element to this, I remember when I was younger and would sing this song in the youth group or whatever, send me and I will go. And I'm thinking, I don't want to be a missionary. I don't want to do it and be like the worst thing of the world. And it's but then even from that, and and no discredit to missionaries, what they do is amazing. But I knew that was not my calling. And God very clearly, even then, said, Why would you think that? Why would you say that? Because it for the missionaries and the people that are doing that, I've placed that that desire and that call in them.

Michelle 19:48

Yeah.

Mel 19:48

And for you, I didn't place that in you. Your calling is different.

Michelle 19:52

Yeah.

Mel 19:53

And then when I as I'm you know stepping into it more now with my business and and helping women do this. And I'm loving what I do. Yes, it's challenging. Yes, it's hard. It's hard having a business and all the logistics and the things behind it, even just navigating social media and stuff. And I just want to coach, right? I just want to help people.

Michelle 20:15

I don't want to learn all this stuff.

Mel 20:16

I don't want to do all that. I know. There's so many elements that go into it. But I ultimately am loving what I'm doing because I'm stepping into the plan he had for me and the calling he had for me. And this is so much better than anything I could have manifested or brought upon myself because that was never the thing for me. This is the thing for me. And I get to be me.

Michelle 20:41

Yeah.

Mel 20:41

I get to be me completely.

Michelle 20:43

So I think the manifestation culture will start to take a turn. I mean, I already see that it is because now it's not, it's not manifest. It's envision yourself becoming the person. So I'm like, so they're changing it again. Yeah. And it's listen, manifestations do work. Um I believe they work because when you're setting your mind to do something, your actions will align.

Mel 21:11

Yeah.

Michelle 21:11

But like you said, are you gonna have joy? Are you going to be happy? Okay, great. You got your private jet. You got your you bought your island, right? Are you happy in here? So I think it'll run its course because people are doing it, right? And God will allow us to have what we asked for, right? Like they asked for Saul. He gave them Saul. It wasn't his his best. He gave them Saul. So it'll run its course, but then your your soul is still gonna be empty inside. And why not manifest what you're meant to have, right? So when you get to the root of who you are and who you were called to be, that's when God can speak to you and tell you, well, these are actually the plans that I have for you. Right. I think that's why God was able to talk with Adam in the garden and Eve, because they were in their perfect state. They weren't believing lies about themselves, right? They had no shame, and he could speak to them freely. He could tell Adam, This is the assignment that I have for you. And Adam took it on because he was in that perfect state of no shame, no lies. He was just walking in his identity. And that is the goal that we should have is to remove the things that are not meant to be there. And then we don't have to force the manifestations. We just walk in who we were called to be. And then that's where the joy comes from.

Mel 22:30

Yeah. Oh so well said. So well said. What is one thing that you would like more women to know? There's so many.

Identity, Lies, And True Calling

Michelle 22:43

Um I know there's so many. What's one thing? I think the core is what God had asked me to send the message years ago is that how much God loves you. And I think we, I mean, I grew up in the church, okay? And and when I was growing up in the church, it was you have to do right because you love. If you say you love God, then you have to live this certain perfect way. And I kind of did. Like, I'm not tooting my own horn, but I never did anything wrong. But I realized now it was it was a fear-based perfectionism, it was a performance-based, right? Oh God, well, I'm protected because I serve you, I do this, I do everything right. So you have to protect this. Isn't it worth? Yeah, I'm good. I'm the typical oldest child, right? But God's like, no. Oh, you're an oldest child? Yeah, perfectionist. We do everything right. And it's like I would watch my brothers-I see it in my son too. Yeah, but I would watch my brothers do bad things, and I was like, mommy and daddy are gonna kill you. You know, God can see you, but but what I appreciate of people that would just do wrong and not is that there is a sense of freedom in that. So I had to break out of this perfectionism, this holy roller kind of thing, and just be like, oh, you love me, God, whether I'm doing this or not. And what happens is when you start to fully receive how much God loves you, then you naturally want to please him. You're not doing it because I'm supposed to do this to show you that I love you, right? The condemnation kind of goes away.

Mel 24:21

Yeah.

Michelle 24:21

This, like, I have to wake up at five o'clock every morning. I mean, when some I heard a pastor preach that, I was like, on my third child, you need to wake up at 5 a.m. because that's where God is, you know, and have you, and I was just, I felt all this guilt and all this shame and anxiety. I was like, I can't wait. I'm already up every three to four hours. Well, guess what now? Fast forward 15 years later, I set my alarm to wake up at 5:30 because I'm in a different stage of life. Different stage and because I want to, but am I, does God love me anymore because now I spend more time in the Word? No. He loved me just as much when I had two minutes to read through a Bible gateway verse, right? So I think if we understood that there's no performance here, we don't need to perform for God's love. He loves us when we don't have time for him, when we're feeling our worst, when we don't feel like praying, right? Because we go through cycles in our spiritual walk. We don't feel like reading our Bible. If we could just be real, but if you could just be real and tell God, I'm just not feeling it right now. He can handle, he can handle us. Like God is a big, strong man that can handle our hurt, he can handle our rejection, he can handle it when we say, I'm just not, I don't feel like talking to you today. I'm mad at you. You're mad at God. Yes, God knows when we're upset with him, he can handle it all, and yet he still loves us so much. That's that's the message that I wish everyone just understood really clearly his love that he has to do.

Mel 25:50

Like, I'm glad that he still loves us. I I will be completely honest with you. This year has been a really tough year financially and all of that, because I've poured so much into the business and so much into everything. And yes, I'm I'm getting clients and stuff, but there's still a lot that goes into it. Yeah, and and I have had moments where I've been pretty mad at him because I'm just like, I've been obedient, I've done everything you've asked, I've been following everything, and you said you'll provide. And here I am with seven dollars in my bank account. Like I and I've got a $300 bill coming out. Like it's it's been really intense. But you know, even with that, I I've seen him move in a way that I don't think I ever could have if I wasn't put in this position. You know, he he has come in last second and and done things, and um and I don't know, we're just we're still here, you know.

Michelle 26:48

I think it's good that you can be real with God. I think that's the thing. He wants our realness. And in that realness, you don't say, oh, God, you're a provider. Yeah, you know he's a provider, but right now I'm upset and I'm confused because I did what you said and it's not working. And in those moments of realness, that's where I would invite God in. What do you have to say about this situation? I feel X, Y, and Z, right? Like that's true confession. Confession's not, God, I have sinned, forgive me. Confession is God, this is how I feel right now. This is where I'm I feel like you have let me down. Right? But what is your truth? What do you say about this situation? And that's how we can hear from him. And that is the beauty of like raw honesty with God, because he can handle you being upset with him. And now's the time for him to show you. Well, actually, I have so many things that I want to speak to you about in this moment.

Mel 27:43

Yeah, and that's and usually it's in those moments that I get the ideas for the next thing to try. And, you know, every every step is taking me closer.

Manifestation Culture Critiqued

Michelle 27:52

And I'm in that struggle bus with you right now with with this part, right? Like my cleaning company, it's it's set, it's good. And this is like, all right, I'm doing what you told me to do. Yeah, this is a challenge, it's very challenging. And I think the other problem is online, people like, oh, here is my simple free guide to making 10k months. And so there's been a lot of deception online, and we believe that, and we don't realize how hard it is to start up a business. Like when I started my cleaning business, I was working seven days a week and I was barely making any money. It wasn't until my third or fourth year. And it's like I forget that. We think because people make money so fast during COVID that we're all gonna make money so fast, and then we just get frustrated because there's just not a realness, right?

Mel 28:41

If you do it properly, yeah, if you're doing it, if you're actually setting it up to be a proper business and you're doing it well, what I believe the way God wants it to, it's not gonna be the short, shortcut way that is deceiving, to be honest. It's not gonna be like that. It's going to take time to establish.

Michelle 29:03

Yes. And my coach always explained to us that our roots grow deeper and deeper and deeper. And the deeper our roots grow, that is the turmoil that you go through. That's the, you know, like the $7 in the bank account. Um, I didn't get any clients this month. That's the tenacity to stick with it, those are roots that you're building deeper and deeper. The deeper your roots go, the the higher the tree can grow. So everyone sees the tree, they see the leaves and the branches, but they don't see the roots that were put in. So you're building roots right now that will weather the storm.

Mel 29:36

So true. But it's also because I know that I know that I know that I'm meant to do this business, this podcast. I mean, I love it. I love what I'm doing. But it it has its moments where I just think, I don't even know how I'm gonna pay for all of this or whatever. Like, God, you gotta bring in more clients, you gotta bring in more money. But just I love it though. But I go, I know beyond doubt this is what I'm supposed to do. I know beyond doubt this is what I'm gonna be doing for years to come. Don't know exactly how it's gonna look, don't know how it's all gonna play out, but I'm also excited by it because never in my life have I been so sure on something except when I was having my kids. You know, I I mentioned a little bit before this that, you know, I had dreams of them before they even existed and they're here, and I knew beyond doubt that they would be. And this is the same knowing that I have with this business. I just know it's another baby. This is it. This is my baby, but yeah, it's something that he has given me and trusted me to work with and grow. But I think part of that frustration that I have at times is because I'm not talking to him like a father or anything like that. I'm talking to him like a business partner because he is. He is your business partner. 100%.

Michelle 30:55

When I started my cleaning business, he told me to do it. And so I'm always like, okay, God, we're partners. I have payroll coming. Six clients haven't paid me yet. Like I put it back on him, right? Like he is your business partner. That's the right way. It's freeing. Like, who doesn't want a business partner that has the riches.

Mel 31:15

He knows everything.

Michelle 31:16

Yeah, exactly. And the way that your prayer changes, it's more of authority. It's like, God, I'm coming to you in your kingdom. I am running a kingdom business, and I need your resources, and I know that you'll give them to me. And then he provides.

Mel 31:34

And you're like, He's given me a brain. He's given me a brain. Like he, I don't need to be coming to him like a baby or like a little child. I can come to him as an adult with a brain that knows a thing or two. I don't don't claim to know more than God or anywhere near it. Right. I know enough, and so I can talk to him like I would talk to another adult or another person in authority, not disrespectfully, but going, okay, boss, sir, this is yeah, this is where we're at. This is what we need, you know, and let's make it happen. So um, yeah, anyway. This I had no idea how this conversation would go, but I'm really like yeah.

Michelle 32:21

I mean, we're helping others that are like ready to just give up. You can't, you can't, you just you can't quit, but God will provide, right? Like, look at Joseph, he got his dream and then he had to go to jail, and then he helped people, and then they forgot about him. And all of that was him building his roots, and then he was elevated to like the highest level possible. But it all started with the dream, right? You got the dream, you got the calling for this business. Yeah, it's not gonna be easy. The enemy knows what the end looks like, so he's gonna do everything he can in the meantime to sabotage. And the way he sabotages us is he gets us to go off track, he gets us to think things that are not true and go off track. And if he can get you to go off track, he's won. But if you stay the course, you will win, right? And God wants your plan to work out more than you do, and that's what I have to keep reminding myself. God, you want this more than I do. And he'll see it to fruition.

Perseverance, Business Roots, And Provision

Mel 33:18

That's true. And I I really feel to say in this moment, because I know a lot of people listening don't have their own businesses. Um, they might work nine to five jobs or shift work here or there, or simply stay-at-home mums. And I want to say this applies to you too. You are in the season and you've, you know, been called to be a mum, for example. Like you're a mum during the season and you're in it. You can't change your mind. You can't just say, I don't want to do this, or this is too hard, or I quit. As much as we have those moments, I'm sure, where it's just like, okay, I just want to get out of here. But I just want to encourage you that it doesn't matter where you are, what season you're in, what your current journey is, that you are doing what you've been called to do, and that you can call out to him. You don't even have to have a relationship with him, and he is still there listening, waiting for you to just say, Hey, I need a hand. I'm struggling right now. And he will answer. And it and, you know, he doesn't come in some big audible voice, so some people have heard. It's generally not, it's just it's almost like a thought in your head that you know wasn't yours, or a feeling in your heart that you just know is yours. He communicates in so many different ways, communicates through my dreams. There's so many different ways, and he he will talk to you, and you just gotta, you're just gonna be open to letting him talk and and listen.

Michelle 34:55

So and something else I learned recently is that if you're having trouble hearing, like I I have a lot so many people say to me, I don't I don't hear from God. Sometimes when when life is too busy and you're stressed and you're anxious, if you can I know it sounds new agey, but it's really not. It's like if you can engage all your senses, like if you can just take a minute and quiet the outside and engage in your senses, like what do I hear? What do I smell? What do I feel? Take a few deep breaths and just calm yourself. You can hear like the gentle breeze of of the father speaking, right? Call on truth, call on love. I just I need to feel your love, I need to see your love. A lot of times we we are too rattled in our head and in our in our body and in our thoughts. And so we think we can't hear from God, but really there's just other voices that are competing for your for you, and it's it's a lot of time stress. So if you can get yourself into a state of just relaxing yourself, you can hear from God. The biggest way that I hear from God was dreams. He doesn't speak to me in dreams anymore. I think I think what he said to me is you've graduated. You like he needed to knock me out, have me sound asleep so he could speak, so I would listen, right? Because I'm always like, um, but now it's do journaling. Yeah, do journaling. Yeah. So if you have trouble hearing from God, just sit with a pen and journal. Yeah. And it's not your thoughts. You're not like, oh, I'm so upset today. You just sit and just start writing, and he'll start to download to you. And it it feels weird because you're just writing and writing. That's another good way to try to hear from God in those moments where you're frustrated and feel like you you can't hear anything.

Mel 36:40

Yeah, I love it. Well, we could keep talking forever. And I'm definitely gonna have to get you back on another time. I would love to. I really enjoy this, Michelle. So if people want to get in touch with you, where can they find you?

Michelle 36:54

Right. My Instagram handle, it's Michelle Marini Morris. Um, it's all one word, and it'll say untangle the root. Um, and also if you would like coaching from me, you can simply just DM me. I'll message me, and I would love to set that up.

Mel 37:07

Fantastic. I'll make sure all the details are in the notes there for them. So thank you so much for joining us today. And I just really am grateful for everything you shared and that you didn't hold back. You just shared everything that was on your heart and I loved it. Thank you. Thank you so much, Mal. You're welcome.

Mel 37:28

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